rugby in south africa is not stretching it much to say it's a religion. it was always an entirely white religion, the most important sport in south africa. the 1995 world rugby cup a warded to south africa for the ending of a par tide. it was still almost entirely whites in the sport. nelson mandela in the absolutely unthinkable act just a i few years before put on the jersey of the spring box what the rugby team is known as. they made it to the rugby world cup finals. they had no right to beat the strongest team in the world that they were playing that day, new zealand. nelson mandela stood in the stand. the atmosphere in the stands that day was the most extraordinary atmosphere. those that were there say that they have experienced. that team won the rugby world cup. that in a sense although sport ship, that is the moment south africa truly came together as a nation black and white. >> wow jonathan. i don't know about you but listening to you go through all of those things which at the time -- today looking back on them it's one thing. at the time we wer